Plug in a mains-rated wire connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original neutral cable into the piggyback. In the text it says M4, but on the picture, it highlights to use the M3. The fun of the PID is not just the great stability, but the ability to fine tune the brew temperature to your taste! Hi Jun, and thanks for the update. Leave the Classic powered on for at least 15 minutes. Then I realized that EU models come not with a bistable rocker switch but a momentary one (so electricity flows only when you actively pushing the button). Is this a typo on your part or a mistake on their part? Tighten one end of your connector down to one of the solid state relays AC (~) terminals and plug the other end into one of the disconnected thermostat wires. I love the Lego enclosure idea. Unlike the 7200 model, this one does not have SSR inside. Shades. Take your time, think it through, and be patient. BREWING UNIT RE-SETTING AND CLEANING. I am now waiting for my PID unit and thermocouple with M4 head to arrive this week. I dont bother with offset, once I have a temperature dialed in, it doesnt matter whether its measured at the boiler or offset for the group head. Youre giving up one of the two temperature readouts, so youll probably only see the actual temperature, as opposed to the target temperature, and I guess you can switch between the two with a button press. Good idea Chris. I will purchase the PID kit with thermocouple and SSR from aliexpress and buy these rest small items from Mr. Chris, this is a far simpler way to add preinfusion. That is indeed not normal. Instruction Manual: The instruction manual & installation documents areonly available for download for customers who already purchased the kit. Hi Tom. We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. When the ">" key is pressed, the controller starts the brewing sequence automatically. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic. It will depend on the beans you use, and your palate. Anyway, thank you Chris. Thermocouple: J,S,K,E,Wre3 ~ Wre25 Contrary to the Gaggia circuit diagram, Black is live, White is neutral, a minor issue. Warning! Note: I fully tested the PID, SSR and thermocouple on the workbench before final installation. Set the cover and screws aside. Only needs 2 x AAA batteries. This product was added to our catalog on Friday 12 August, 2011. I can do a more detailed writeup of what Ive done if anyone feels like helping me find out whats not working properly! My install went as smooth as I hoped all my wire colours and locations were identical to yours (Phewf). 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". This wont be enough for the boiler heating element. No extra button is needed to press for frothing. that will make it where only one SSR is needed. 3-Connect the other cable to the terminal on the on off switch, which is on top of or below the Live cable. So far the temp range Ive seen when the heater cycles on/off (after ~30 mins of warming up) is ~90C to ~97C. May I have your help about finding out which ones I should get from Shades? save. (To be certain, the M4 is the correct one). I cant see why you couldnt. Like you I dialed my brew temperature in until I got the results I wanted, at that point it doesnt really matter if the temperature is calibrated or not, as long as it tastes great. The Auber kit looks easy since I dont have time to build my own. Thanks again for all your support. Thats an awesome enclosure. For those interested I just bought a cheap ($13) K-type thermocouple and thermometer (TM-902C) https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/224710871179. Approach 2: Divert from my writeup by installing the thermocouple so that it replaces the steam thermostat, and set the PID temperature to your preferred steam temperature. Because the PID runs on mains voltages, an enclosure is required. You can use the sensor reading on the PID display to know when to start steaming. Thanks for the catch, I will correct the article. The operation is the same as the unmodified Gaggia machine. it appears i can configure the BERM REXC-100 like this as i entered the settings after i enabled alarm 1. auber uses 1 SSR & is simple. Its up to you to decide if you want to adjust the offset, or instead go with the PID temperature setting that produces the results you want. PID Kits for Gaggia; Jump to . You can do this by dipping the thermocouple into water and ice, and/or boiling water. I just installed the pid on my Gaggia classic Pro following your instruction guide. If you want to defeat that auto-power-off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. (for a reasonable fee of course). Thanks in advance, this was a huge help! We bring fresh high-quality coffee to the masses. Once these bolts are removed, the boiler can be moved around without having to disconnect any hoses or wires. I then thought what if? and decided to change the mains wires to the opposite terminals. If the thermocouple wire is too long, coil it up inside the machine, well away from the boiler or any uninsulated connections, using zip ties to hold the coil in place. The YouTube video from wll about replacing the boiler made the whole thing very easy. I do not suggest autotuning for this device because there is a huge improvement in temperature stability if you do the tuning by yourself. One bit of note and a request. Please be sensible and install a grommet anyway! As for you steam mode question, if you followed this guide for installing your PID, the PID will have no effect on the the steam temperatures or functions. Pull the cover assembly off by pulling upwards, and disconnect the ground cables. You are right, its an M4 thread, not M3. I found this M8 female to M4 male reducer: https://www.ebay.com/itm/284317077676. The connector is on the back of the machine, where mains power is tapped with a piggyback connector and goes to the PID. Chris, i read some comments here about steam. Hi Chris or anyone who may know the answer! (Optional) Add-on Item. Users can see the boiler temperature on the PID controller directly and also easily adjust the brew water temperature to suit their own tastes. The PID kit you described should work, but like the C-100 kit the I used, the included thermocouple wont fit in the Gaggia Classic. The GC comes from the factory with a simple thermostat that turns on at a certain pre-set temperature, and turns off at another pre-set temperature. Hi Ray. Attach the solid state relay to the inside back wall of the Classic, using a small bolt and nut. Hello Chris, Once warmed up, the recovery time is quick and the swing is fairly minimal. Thanks in advance! So I say go for it, but as Chris said, if you really dont feel comfortable with it, pass on the PID or try to find someone who can install it for you. I have briefly thought about pre-infusion but the REX C-100 is not capable of this. Or buy a machine with a built-in PID. Your email address will not be published. I formatted the table, its very useful. At the amperages required to control the boiler heating element, you need an SSR that has enough mass and exposed metal to be able to attach it to a heat sink. AUBER. At a minimum, I think you would need the following: I dont see piggyback connectors on Mr Shades list, maybe those are part of the set of wires, but its not clear. Hello Chris, The preinfusion thing is a bit ridiculous, it just turns your pump on, off and on again. Leave as much of the thermal grease in place as possible. Otherwise, it all works properly now. 2. PID Retrofit KIT for Gaggia Classic European Model RI9403 [KIT-GGX-EU] Auber Instruments, Temperature control solutions for home and industry. Because the wiring connections can vary between manufacturers, you should bench-test your setup before final assembly. Wear a glove when reaching in from below, otherwise bloodletting is likely. Hi Murat, 3 months later, Ive finally set up the PID and honestly, its a gamechanger! I like the quality of the shots, and temperature consistency is more important to me than pressure consistency. I think this is why using a separate SSR and controller is the only way to go. K type thermocouple, 0-500, 2m cable (6 feet). It would also be a bit of a weird machine, but this approach wouldnt require any mods or re-setting of temperatures to use the machine to brew. I have to mention that coffee taste is good, not harsh or bitter. Its not a sensor, it doesnt send any information, it just switches on an off, at setpoints that you cant adjust. Ill be using a xmt7100 (modified) for two SRRs and also tweaked for 12v out for led mod any help would be appreciated. Id really love to do the install, however I have ZERO experience in electrical installation. 6 Reviews (6) $375.00. In mine, correct terminal was crosswise of yours. If your connection is down to just a few strands, that will generate heat. This resulted in the PID not powering up even though the machine did. Glad this writeup helped. I strongly suggest checking which switch terminal switches the mains. My problem is that since installing the mod, my machine gets way too hot and boils. What exactly is a mains-rated wire, and where would I find one? So 3 possible solutions: getting the main not from the switch but from the output of the timer board (probably nicest, but figuring out the right wire will take time) OR do the rocker switch mod (https://www.shadesofcoffee.co.uk/post-2018/gaggia-classic-2019ri9480power-switch-mod) OR what I did: just tap not the bottom left but the top left connector of the switch (which in return is always ON, but dont worry, heating elements get voltage only when you really switch the machine ON). There are several PID kits that are available for the Gaggia, the most popular ones are by Mr. I hope you enjoy your upgraded GC as much as I do mine! GRAN GAGGIA PRIMING. The C100 is probably made by dozens of different manufacturers. For me I start steaming when the boiler temperature reads 130 degrees C. So for others who are contemplating going for the extra effort of installing the steam PID, know that the return on investment of doing this is questionable, if not net negative. I want to get a PID for my GC. If youre following a recipe that calls for a specific water temperature, then it would be easier to do this with an offset at the PID. But just like the kit I ordered, the threads on the thermocouple M8 according to the specifications are too big for the Gaggia. Hi, thanks for the articely, it was great help to do the initial steps. Main Feature. I decided that for me, its not worth worrying about. I dont own a multimeter. When I started steaming at that point thermostat never shut down the boiler because temperature did not reach to limit of thermostat. You can take a look at this discussion about offset in the Gaggia Classic: https://coffeeforums.co.uk/topic/53319-what-temp-offset-are-you-using-with-your-pid/. 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